Rodney MDrummer clips on Drummerworld

[mwm]

As I've said before on a different thread -- I think Rodney is a very fine drummer.

There are better drummers, but there are a whole bunch of worse ones. Can anyone really argue that?

And if not . . .

[Suspiria]

Originally posted by Groovesmitty:
I do have the DVD by the way. It's not much different than what was shown.

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Originally posted by Groovesmitty:
Did Rodney give a clinic for his part ot the MD festival?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well what's it going to be? Have you seen it or not? At this point I'm going to say that I'll agree to disagree. If you feel as though Rodney is not a musical drummer - fine. Some (including me) may question the validity of that comment. How an unmusical drummer gets a gig with Santana is beyond me.

Lastly, I can't stress this enough, you just made a judgment based on a short video clip at a drum festival (hardly a very musical setting when you're alone on stage), and then compared Rodney to other drummers in live gig situations with a band. That will perhaps never make sense to me, and as long as you refuse to realize that this really is an unfair comparsion, I'm out of this discussion.

[CLWarunki]

Originally posted by Groovesmitty:
I truly believe most of you are insane.

<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ November 26, 2005 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Groovesmitty ]</font></font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Way to insult HOD and most of it's members!

You have bold opinions and critiques on drummers, drumming and music in general. So do a lot of other HOD members. Just because most of them do not agree with you 100%, does not mean that they are inferior to you and your opinions.

Just remember that next time you decide to type and maybe take some notes from cjbdrm.

P.S. Rodney put on a drum clinic with a former teacher of mine TEN YEARS AGO and he played with chops AND musicality. He might not be a hip NYC jazz cat, but he's a damn fine drummer!

[McKenzie]

Could it be Groovesmitty that you have YOUR view of what IS! musical and what is not? You have applied a certain set of standards to judge what is musical. I say that because I have read enough of your posts that you seem to have a litmus test for what is musical and what is not, whether that happens to be a drummer solo or 4 guy's playing together. And that is fine. But just think other's have their own, well let us just say a set list of traits that musicians have to line up with or it is not musical to them. I say both are really neither wrong or right, it is fairly subjective. Yes you will have those who side with you but just as many who come down on the other side.

And just think do your rules apply to "Death Metal" or ethnic music of India? Different styles of music have some of their OWN rules. Probably not, maybe certain traits that you esteem might work with Metal or Indigenous music but the set of rules that make these other styles of music tick are probably quite different from what you are really into.

You mention certain drummer's over and over as examples of what you think is musical well guess what other's might just think that is a load of hogwash whether wrong or right. By the way I have been to India a few times among other places such as China and Cuba etc. and have heard some FAROUT music that exists in the hard to reach regions of these countries. And I have to say it sound's like nothing I have ever heard before anywhere else. Their idea of what is musical is most certainly VERY different from all of the other opinion's that are thrown around.

[drumaddix]

Man,it's good to know most of you are still so passionate about drums.That might be the best news here.
But maybe a little "less" passion when it comes to share deep thoughts,is more appropriate in order to have some sort of "quiet" arguing,don't you think.
I'm not blaming anyone here as passion is what brought us here.

One question though,can Rodney play jazz?? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Just kidding here.I prefer JO JO 's clip if you ask me,even if i'm not against a nice display of chops just for the sake of it every now and then.

[Julius24]

I just watched the solo and didn?t enjoy it either...
What?s the big deal about the context??? [img]mad.gif[/img]
If you?re a musician, you have to be musical and tasty EVERY single time you hit a drum... Can you imagine Corea or Hancock blazing 32nd on the piano just because they playing in front of a lot of keyboard players?! Not a chance.
And if you want to speak about context, Rodney (and a lot of drummers) should strive for musicality harder than ever, because everyone in that room was a drummer, and as drummers we know it?s much easier to display chops than play with taste and a huge pocket...
BTW, there?s funny how many drummers (JoJo came to my mind) talk about this "less is more", etc. but every time the camera start shooting they do the opposite... [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]

[Lee Collins]

Originally posted by Juli?n Fern?ndez:

If you?re a musician, you have to be musical and tasty EVERY single time you hit a drum... Can you imagine Corea or Hancock blazing 32nd on the piano just because they playing in front of a lot of keyboard players?!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well he was definitely tasty. Musical? I dunno, but his playing uplifted me. Anyway, we might all be musicians, but drummers are a breed apart from pianists, guitarists, bass players, etc. It's the nature of drummers to want a display of chops, more so than any other instrument. It's just the way we are. We can't exactly make a variety of tunes on drums like a keyboard player can so why even compare?

[Paraflam]

Juan is right on the money. Rudy in the past you have made so much sense. I cringed when I read your post. It's not musical yet it's tasty? Those are the same thing. How can something unmusical yet musically tasty? WHAT? And drummers tend blow more than any other instrumentalists? WHAT? That's so wrong. Not the great ones man! If you had Gadd or Erskine up there, they wouldn't have played that bullshit. That performance uplifted you because you probably get off on his technical level. The problem is, no one in the real world cares about how fast you can roll around the drums. NO ONE.
It about 3 things. The groove, the part, and the ideas. That's it.
Rudy, that was an embarassing post for a drummer to print, maybe you should delete it. Yuck.......
Drummers are supposed to be able to play music on the drums. I have see Erskine, Hamilton, and Gadd do it in clinic. Where they sit down play the melody, improvise, and take it home. That's music!
I know what you mean about the clinics too Juan. Some guys do that. Yeah less is more, and then blow a ton of shit. Then I'm thinkin, no wonder why this guy doesn't work in the real world of music. HAHA! At least Rodney didn't do that. He has some great gigs, and a very nice feel when plays simple. That's him playing Smooth. Very nice. His portion of the festival, I can do without.
I'll be cool and say this is just my opinion. I don't want to start anything in here again. HA! But Groove is beginning to impress me with every post I read, and Juan and the few others. HGreat minds think alike. Yay for events like Yamaha Groove Night! After all, that's what drums were invented for.

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[zmorton]

I hear some call and response going on at the beginning of the clip then an "open section" followed by that groove idea at the end, which I assume he continues to develop after the video clip cuts off. Those little double bass/cymbal flurries are almost like an interlude into the groove section.

Is this playing over a lead sheet? Doubtful. There is however some musical ideas and reference to form or a "compositional structure" if you will. I hear it quite clearly actually, and all in this small clip, it's just not your stock AABA or ABA or AABB form.

[Lee Collins]

Originally posted by Paraflam:
Rudy in the past you have made so much sense. I cringed when I read your post. It's not musical yet it's tasty? Those are the same thing. How can something unmusical yet musically tasty? WHAT? And drummers tend blow more than any other instrumentalists? WHAT? That's so wrong. Not the great ones man! If you had Gadd or Erskine up there, they wouldn't have played that bullshit. That performance uplifted you because you probably get off on his technical level. The problem is, no one in the real world cares about how fast you can roll around the drums. NO ONE.
It about 3 things. The groove, the part, and the ideas. That's it.
Rudy, that was an embarassing post for a drummer to print, maybe you should delete it. Yuck.......
Drummers are supposed to be able to play music on the drums. I have see Erskine, Hamilton, and Gadd do it in clinic. Where they sit down play the melody, improvise, and take it home. That's music!
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ November 26, 2005 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Paraflam ]</font></font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey paraflam, thanks for putting words into my mouth that I never actually said! But regarding your points, you're both right and wrong. I never actually said he was or wasn't musical, I just said I don't know. But since I did enjoy what he played, my sentence should actually have read 'I found him musical and his playing uplifted me'.

'And drummers tend blow more than any other instrumentalists? WHAT? That's so wrong.'


wtf are you on about now? You're referring to this? 'It's the nature of drummers to want a display of chops, more so than any other instrument' I'm not talking about blowing more than other instruments as in a gig, I'm talking about drummers events and drummers getting together. Drummers love to see other drummers shedding. What other musicians get together and do the equivalent of " hey, have you seen this triple ratamacue lick that I can play on my brothers head while doing blast beats with my feet?! "

It's a fucking drum day, and drummers go to be entertained both musically and also just for chops sake, what's wrong with that?? But you're also forgetting the fact that these are but short clips and there's nothing to say rodney holmes didn't play the groove, the part, and the ideas elsewhere in his performance. He didn't just roll around the drums there were patterns in there too, and if the chops alone inspired drummers watching to incorporate those sort of ideas into their own playing, then good for him!